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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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Reply #1360 on:
February 23, 2010, 10:45:08 AM »
Refresher on the Jaap / RTL stuff:
First reported to SM by EURobert:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg777073#msg777073
http://www.shownieuws.tv/web/show/id=186466/langid=43/contentid=70938
Then Texasmom brought us more:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778083#msg778083
http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/miMedia/2009/week17/di_joranddebiel.avi_plain.xml
And Ceasu brought us the picture of Joran and polygraph lady:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778376#msg778376
http://www.limburger.nl/article/20090422/REGIONIEUWS01/896158835/1030/weer#
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Limburgers filming Joran to detector
The Roermond TV makers Olaf Ton Simons and Balen Donck have Joran van der Sloot, who remains associated with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005, to undergo a lie detector test. This is in Breda recently done for a TV program that said TV makers with Gouden Kooi winner Terror Jaap made.
Roermond
By Hans Straus
The three want the TV to sell to the highest bidder. This website is the trailer for the program and a video still of the detector test that Van der Sloot for two days in Breda has undergone.
Simons and Balen Donck previously with Jaap worked for the website of TV production company Ellef (
www.tvellef.nl
). Terror Jaap Limburgse two came to the right when it became apparent that a talk show - he promised by RTL after its profit in the Talpa program The Golden Cage - was not Saturday TV Ellef wanted Jaap necessarily own TV program. He thought immediately of a show with Joran van der Sloot. Jaap maintain contacts with Van der Sloot on Hyves because Van der Sloot a fan of the TV program The Golden Cage and Jaap.
According to Olaf Simons TV Ellef has Terror Jaap Joran van der Sloot persuaded to the Netherlands to qualify for the program. , Jaap has money and contacts.''
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM »
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 10:54:09 AM »
Quote from: San on February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
funny you mention that San, cause I was thinking at some point he will let van der Straaten's name slip and that's gonna be impossible to ignore.
There was suppose to be an investigation into van der Straaten already - no idea what happened there, but van der Straaten has to be very worried that Joran will open his mouth and he will spill out his name and role in the cover-up.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:09:28 AM »
Quote from: Lifesong on February 23, 2010, 10:45:08 AM
Refresher on the Jaap / RTL stuff:
First reported to SM by EURobert:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg777073#msg777073
http://www.shownieuws.tv/web/show/id=186466/langid=43/contentid=70938
Then Texasmom brought us more:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778083#msg778083
http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/miMedia/2009/week17/di_joranddebiel.avi_plain.xml
And Ceasu brought us the picture of Joran and polygraph lady:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4854.msg778376#msg778376
http://www.limburger.nl/article/20090422/REGIONIEUWS01/896158835/1030/weer#
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Limburgers filming Joran to detector
The Roermond TV makers Olaf Ton Simons and Balen Donck have Joran van der Sloot, who remains associated with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005, to undergo a lie detector test. This is in Breda recently done for a TV program that said TV makers with Gouden Kooi winner Terror Jaap made.
Roermond
By Hans Straus
The three want the TV to sell to the highest bidder. This website is the trailer for the program and a video still of the detector test that Van der Sloot for two days in Breda has undergone.
Simons and Balen Donck previously with Jaap worked for the website of TV production company Ellef (
www.tvellef.nl
). Terror Jaap Limburgse two came to the right when it became apparent that a talk show - he promised by RTL after its profit in the Talpa program The Golden Cage - was not Saturday TV Ellef wanted Jaap necessarily own TV program. He thought immediately of a show with Joran van der Sloot. Jaap maintain contacts with Van der Sloot on Hyves because Van der Sloot a fan of the TV program The Golden Cage and Jaap.
According to Olaf Simons TV Ellef has Terror Jaap Joran van der Sloot persuaded to the Netherlands to qualify for the program. , Jaap has money and contacts.''
Thanks Lifesong!
San
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:09:37 AM »
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: San on February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
funny you mention that San, cause I was thinking at some point
he will let van der Straaten's name slip
and that's gonna be impossible to ignore.
There was suppose to be an investigation into van der Straaten already - no idea what happened there, but van der Straaten has to be very worried that Joran will open his mouth and he will spill out his name and role in the cover-up.
Did he already do that? Remember, there were names of LE that Joran told to Greta his dad had bribed. Was Jan's one of them?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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Reply #1365 on:
February 23, 2010, 11:12:13 AM »
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: San on February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
funny you mention that San, cause I was thinking at some point he will let van der Straaten's name slip and that's gonna be impossible to ignore.
There was suppose to be an investigation into van der Straaten already - no idea what happened there, but van der Straaten has to be very worried that Joran will open his mouth and he will spill out his name and role in the cover-up.
Art Wood had said that this was a professional cover-up.
This will end with a professional hit.
Professional = Police.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:14:32 AM »
Rob,
You posted some of these earlier in jest,
but it's got me wondering.
This says Joran states he put Natalee's body in the "swamp". How loose of a translation is that? And could he have said pond?
Just wondering in that the OM is stating this "confession" completely lacks credibility.........and that witnesses names and times don't add up...............is this the "pond witness story" as furthered by Joran to take attention away from the sea and the cage found? This was done in April of last year.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:15:29 AM »
San - I think you're right!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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Reply #1368 on:
February 23, 2010, 11:16:43 AM »
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: San on February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
funny you mention that San, cause I was thinking at some point
he will let van der Straaten's name slip
and that's gonna be impossible to ignore.
There was suppose to be an investigation into van der Straaten already - no idea what happened there, but van der Straaten has to be very worried that Joran will open his mouth and he will spill out his name and role in the cover-up.
Did he already do that? Remember, there were names of LE that Joran told to Greta his dad had bribed. Was Jan's one of them?
good point jen, and thanks for the reminder. I don't recall if Greta ever said the names involved. Does anyone know for sure?
I KNOW the stated amount was 50 thousand dollars - right...?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:17:08 AM »
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Rob,
You posted some of these earlier in jest,
but it's got me wondering.
This says Joran states he put Natalee's body in the "swamp". How loose of a translation is that? And could he have said pond?
Just wondering in that the OM is stating this "confession" completely lacks credibility.........and that witnesses names and times don't add up...............is this the "pond witness story" as furthered by Joran to take attention away from the sea and the cage found? This was done in April of last year.
Actually Jen that's exactly what I think.
Like San always says, if they say POND then think the opposite.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:17:53 AM »
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 11:16:43 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:09:37 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: San on February 23, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
This epic, almost monumental, tug of war between Joran and the OM is indeed wonderful to watch - and the stakes keep rising. At some point Joran will do something to call their bluff (or vise versa) and the case will explode and the
house of cards
will collapse.
It seems as if the height is slowly being reached.
At some point he will tell the whole story as they keep calling him a liar.
Will Van der Straaten continue to protect his best friends son now that he is dead.
funny you mention that San, cause I was thinking at some point
he will let van der Straaten's name slip
and that's gonna be impossible to ignore.
There was suppose to be an investigation into van der Straaten already - no idea what happened there, but van der Straaten has to be very worried that Joran will open his mouth and he will spill out his name and role in the cover-up.
Did he already do that? Remember, there were names of LE that Joran told to Greta his dad had bribed. Was Jan's one of them?
good point jen, and thanks for the reminder. I don't recall if Greta ever said the names involved. Does anyone know for sure?
I KNOW the stated amount was 50 thousand dollars - right...?
No, she never gave up the names. They were bleeped out of the airing we saw. I think you're right on the 50 thousand.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:18:01 AM »
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Rob,
You posted some of these earlier in jest,
but it's got me wondering.
This says Joran states he put Natalee's body in the "swamp". How loose of a translation is that? And could he have said pond?
Just wondering in that the OM is stating this "confession" completely lacks credibility.........and that witnesses names and times don't add up...............is this the "pond witness story" as furthered by Joran to take attention away from the sea and the cage found? This was done in April of last year.
maybe I just pretended to post those in jest...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:21:37 AM »
REMEMBER - Renfro, Gielen, Jan Brennan, Joran and others have been in the forums since day one.
So
tells us about a pond witness and low and behold, Joran tells Jaap he disposed of her in a pond.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:21:48 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on February 23, 2010, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Rob,
You posted some of these earlier in jest,
but it's got me wondering.
This says Joran states he put Natalee's body in the "swamp". How loose of a translation is that? And could he have said pond?
Just wondering in that the OM is stating this "confession" completely lacks credibility.........and that witnesses names and times don't add up...............is this the "pond witness story" as furthered by Joran to take attention away from the sea and the cage found? This was done in April of last year.
Actually Jen that's exactly what I think.
Like San always says, if they say POND then think the opposite.
San is one smart cookie.
Klaas, the more I think about it.........the more I feel like you that this is exactly the case. I sure wish we could get a literal translation of what Joran said = pond or swamp. I sure hope that IF Dave is really wanting that pond searched again, he take a closer look at this "confession" and the OM's exact statements about those witnesses/times. Fantasy is what they called it - and that's what I've always thought about this pond witness story.
I wonder, too, how this will play out knowing it was John Silvetti who sanctioned this "witness", and who then had people in that pond digging around after it was dry.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #829 2/14/10 -
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February 23, 2010, 11:25:06 AM »
Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: jen3560 on February 23, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Rob,
You posted some of these earlier in jest,
but it's got me wondering.
This says Joran states he put Natalee's body in the "swamp". How loose of a translation is that? And could he have said pond?
Just wondering in that the OM is stating this "confession" completely lacks credibility.........and that witnesses names and times don't add up...............is this the "pond witness story" as furthered by Joran to take attention away from the sea and the cage found? This was done in April of last year.
maybe I just pretended to post those in jest...
If the pond witness and Joran are telling the same story here - the implications are HUGE. And if this is the case, John Silvetti needs to be put under a microscope for turning his back on that cage, furthering this pond hoax, and thus allowing Aruban divers to abscond with those remains from that cage.
I mean, if Joran was behind this all along............
Some people have some SERIOUS explaining to do!!!!!!
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I think everytime Joran opens his mouth a little bit of truth comes out. He is not smart enough to
make up a lie from scratch.
I think the swamp that he speaks of is the bird sanctuary area...where they hid the body initially.
Then the body was taken out to sea the next afternoon and placed in the fish trap. JMO
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Quote from: Magnolia on February 23, 2010, 11:26:43 AM
I think everytime Joran opens his mouth a little bit of truth comes out. He is not smart enough to
make up a lie from scratch.
I think the swamp that he speaks of is the bird sanctuary area...where they hid the body initially.
Then the body was taken out to sea the next afternoon and placed in the fish trap. JMO
Excellent point Magnolia and very possible. So even if her body isn't found in the swamp/pond some evidence could be found maybe?
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Quote from: klaasend on February 23, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
REMEMBER - Renfro, Gielen, Jan Brennan, Joran and others have been in the forums since day one.
So
tells us about a pond witness and low and behold, Joran tells Jaap he disposed of her in a pond.
So much was undone with that hoax.
So much was lost.
Natalee could be lost forever due to that hoax.
I can't wait to see that entire "confession" and hear all those names Joran threw out that the OM called BS on.
I would also like to know (need to go back and do some serious research here) when, exactly, Joran and Jaap hooked up. Timeframe there, if coinky dinkal with CPW, could prove insightful.
We've read all about how much time, effort and money was spent on this "confession/polygraph", so now my curiosity is definitely peaked!
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It's up on CNN.com now
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/23/holloway.van.der.sloot/index.html?hpt=T2
"....The statement did not divulge the contents of van der Sloot's interview. However, Blanken told CNN on Tuesday that van der Sloot says in the interview that he dumped Holloway's body "in a swamp on the north end of the island."
"He was very unspecific," Blanken said.
Blanken said RTL contacted him about the interview last summer, and the station showed the interview to him to get his reaction. He said his office and Aruban police investigated.
"We tried to verify it," Blanken said. "It couldn't be true. We talked with several witnesses and reviewed several facts. The story is unbelievable and not true, in my opinion."
He said his office told van der Sloot "we'd like him to come in and speak with us about it. He failed to respond."
Asked why van der Sloot gave the interview, Blanken said, "You should ask him. Maybe he wanted to be on camera or make some money.".....
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Quote from: Rob on February 23, 2010, 08:46:13 AM
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"Times did not fit and named witnesses mentioned are denying his claims."
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wow, he just confessed and the investigation and witness interviews are already complete -
who would have thunk it?!?! nothing to see here, move along or we'll move you along
It's all such bullcrap! This & recent events-all very interesting timing,IMO ...
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===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
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=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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