Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #63

[invision]

Yes Invision- I believe Annie has alot of info, and also I remember pics somewhere of Annie's dogs. If one believes that post about cloroform and dogs, also the owner of Lake Vaj has a dog.

I always thought there was some reason Annies statement was never released.

Didn't we learn (some time back) that Annie was given immunity so she would disclose information and not be charged inconnection with drugs?

Not to my knowledge ... If this is the case ... can anyone provide me with a "link" (if it's an official statement) so that I can cross some things off of the list I have in my head .. TIA 

I didn't think there was a released statement as to anyone that was given immunity ...

[anothermonkey]

If I had the talent of Des I would call up that lil ole LE dept with this Loretta Lynn accent of mine and say I'll trade 1 gallon of moonshine for all the evidence. we need it in the cage now. 



LOVE YOU DES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dolce]

IMO Casey does not "think" like the normal person ... REMEMBER she was telling a little 12 yr old girl something to the effect of "we are like sisters now" ...

She is IMO capable of "keeping secrets" for her "friends" b/c she has an immature mind and is thinking "I won't tell on them so they like me, I'm a good friend" .... She is not thinking for one second that these same "friends" will turn their back on her ... and do the right thing for Caylee ...

IMO Casey also knows (to some extent) that IF these "friends" rat out her ... they are "ratting" out themselves only on a different level ...

She doesn't know (But Baez does) know what LE is able to "overlook" in an immunity deal to get to the truth.  That is why I believe JB has asked for the "immunity list" to see WHO has sold Casey out ... JB knows Casey lives in this "la la land" ...

Interesting.  I know that Amy was asking for or was given the immunity deal, along with a couple others too, but can not remember who.  I can not see her being in the mind set of a 12 y/o though, she seems too head strong for that, unless its an act she is now putting on.  She is being immature for sure with this "I'll never tell" bull. 

If anyone was to rat her out I would think it was Jesse or Amy as they both have lost something in all of this.  If Amy had anything to do with it, well that would be a reason why Casey would steal from her thinking she would get away with it, sort of like a "ha ha dont you tell on me because I will get you", but Amy did tell on her...so I still do not understand this insanity!

I still say the only other person involved would be Lee based clearly on his actions at the very beginning and now being "MIA".
 

[Dihannah1]

Hello Monkeys, I have been reading and I just wanted to say that, I can understand Des to a degree, I realize that this board is all about having proof to whatever is being said and sometimes some of us can't show proof of what we have been told...Some of you might remember when I first came here, I told everybody that I had a friend inLE and that I was talking to him about this case and of course he couldnt tell me a lot but he would answer my questions if he thought it would not be hindering the case in anyway, and so I would post what little I was able to get out of what he said, everytime I did that I would catch he!!, from some of the Monkeys here from time to time only because I either couldnt show proof of what I was saying or they....just didnt believe or I guess it did mess with their ego's.....
   I was not posting the things that I was for anykind of self indulgence or for any reason other than my interest in this case and to help my fellow Monkeys try to find the truth in this big mess...for I still talk to my friend almost every day and will continue to do so, I just dont share as much, because I cant and wont show my proof of his existence and our friendship without causing him problems, and since I cant do this then I understand that I will always be taken by some as just being a liar or making things up........Im not saying anything bad about this forum, believe me, I understand that anybody can say anything on the enternet, and without proof how are we to know what their intentions are, I know that Klass and the rest of the Mods are doing a great job here as Klass really helped me a few times and I have great respect for her and everthing she and the other Mods have to do......
   Still I stand by everthing I was told about this case by my friend and with everyday that passes by I see things go from one extreme to the other but the things I said at the beginning have held there  ground........
       I wish for only one thing and that is for Justice for Caylee, and I am certain that is coming soon.......

I enjoy any and all input from you. I'm not bound to take as gospel anything I hear from any source.

I feel exactly the same and especially information from random posters on the internet (no offense to anyone intended).   

I certainly hope EVERYBODY knows, that I care about ALL monkeys here and do NOT think anybody is better than anybody else.
I post sporadically because, I DON"T always have much more to offer than others do, so I in fact am the one who feels inferior most of the time.  EVERYBODY has different talents and are appreciated. 

For those who had a problem with what I said, you have MOST definately misunderstood what the meaning was.

FUNNY! Klaas knows I complain the most about being ignored and this once, I'm NOT, but get bashed while I am away!   

Sorry Klaas,  had to get my point out, in favor of what you said.... 

Have I mentioned recently, I can't stand Casey Anthony?   

[Puzzler]

I may be totally wrong, but I thought the cement slab in the Anthony's yard, was not correct info. They had pavers put down, not a slab.

You are correct!! It has been rehased a million times but every few weeks or so that 'cement' thing rears its ugly head!

I distinctly remember Tim Miller himself say that there was a new slab and that he hoped his team would get to search there in a few days; however, this was some time back and after a few days that search never came about.

Also, in pictures of Lee's house, you can see that there is a new section of a sidewalk poured.  I doubt, though, that Lee would have poured a new section of the sidewalk...probably the county.

Looking at all the photos though, there is no new slab to be found, just pavers.  If it was sidewalk, you are right that would be county.  Tim could have been mistaken and thought the pavers were a slab of concrete?  I have no idea, just do not see it in the photos of the back yard.
Its a PUZZLER!! 

   Yep-a Puzzler!  I don't ever recall seeing a slab in a picture either.  There was a mention of a new section poured as you step out of the house (maybe it's left up to your definition of a slab - I think a slab a substantial area...others might thing 3 feet x 3 feet).  But...I don't recall a picture of a new slab...could something have been poured AFTER the police searched the back yard?  A small area could have been poured by mixing up concrete in a bucket or wheelbarrow...don't always need a concrete truck to visit the house.
Just throwing it out there...

[invision]

Yes Invision- I believe Annie has alot of info, and also I remember pics somewhere of Annie's dogs. If one believes that post about cloroform and dogs, also the owner of Lake Vaj has a dog.

I always thought there was some reason Annies statement was never released.

Reading over her ex boyfriend Dante's posts again at WS, I don't know why, but there is something about him that makes me uncomfortable. He could be a great guy, I don't know, just a gut feeling.

Funny you should say that he makes you uncomfortable, because I seem to have the same aversion to him as well.

At first glance of him I got an uneasy feeling about him too.  He just does not look like the "Casey type" either. 
It was mentioned that he was lurking at LP's dives too....
Also, when him and Casey broke up he started going out with Amy??  That caused a huge fight in my Sorority one time with a sister dating an ex of another sister, nightmare for all of us that were there. That was always a rule of thumb as far as I knew it never to date a best friends ex.

IIRC that was Ricardo Morales that broke up w/Casey and started dating Amy ...

[Dolce]

Dolce,the three in question are not pressing charges on Casey.Amy is not in this loop....

I got that, but I guess I still do not see it Taterkinz.  I would never put my life in the hands of another I guess...I am different than them.  Kio's statement was released though too...hers was very odd!

Dolce, it seems that you are a "thinking" person....now sure how well friends, who are more likely to be taking drugs with Casey, can "think".   
 

  They dont think, they do drugs!     They get their money taken!   

Are they street thinkers or book thinkers though?  Street code is not to turn on someone....so ya possible!

[Dolce]

Yes Invision- I believe Annie has alot of info, and also I remember pics somewhere of Annie's dogs. If one believes that post about cloroform and dogs, also the owner of Lake Vaj has a dog.

I always thought there was some reason Annies statement was never released.

Reading over her ex boyfriend Dante's posts again at WS, I don't know why, but there is something about him that makes me uncomfortable. He could be a great guy, I don't know, just a gut feeling.

Funny you should say that he makes you uncomfortable, because I seem to have the same aversion to him as well.

At first glance of him I got an uneasy feeling about him too.  He just does not look like the "Casey type" either. 
It was mentioned that he was lurking at LP's dives too....
Also, when him and Casey broke up he started going out with Amy??  That caused a huge fight in my Sorority one time with a sister dating an ex of another sister, nightmare for all of us that were there. That was always a rule of thumb as far as I knew it never to date a best friends ex.

IIRC that was Ricardo Morales that broke up w/Casey and started dating Amy ...

Did he make her an offer she could not refuse?  That would be even more fuel to the fire for Casey then....

[klaasend]

This was posted at Websleuths.  I think it brings up some excellent points so I brought it here:

11-16-2008, 01:55 PM 
Bev 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 377 
 
LP thinks that because he doesn't know what he's talking about. If she had "ripped the bag open" when she removed it from the trunk then it would have indicated 11 days of decomp, not two.

You know, JaJo, the guy isn't even theorizing - he's throwing out various scenarios which does not fit the evidence and hoping something sticks. He's not thinking like KC, he's thinking like a made for tv movie.

1. There is no evidence that KC and her mother had a fight on the 15th and she left the house that evening - in fact the evidence points to her being in the house until approx. 12:50 pm and then back at the house at approx. 1:30. She then left again between 4 and 5 pm.

2. There is no evidence that she put the child in the pool on the 18th. If she had put the child in the pool on the 18th, then the body would not have immediately sank because it would have been so full of methane gas it would have floated on the surface, not sunk to the bottom. One look at that body on the 18th would have convinced anyone even someone as desperate as KC that the body had been dead for some time.

3. We're not looking at a complicated, devious murder plot with a method of body disposal planned out ahead of time - the fact that it was in the car for 2.6 days would indicate that this was not planned out. No one would want to ride around in a car with a dead body in the trunk. What if she had been stopped by a cop, or someone had rear ended the car at a light? It wouldn't make sense for someone to do that and no matter how bizarre the crime, the events around it have to make sense.

4. She didn't leave "clues" around for people to find that little girl. She didn't want to be caught. She hid out from her parents for 31 days and if her mother hadn't surprised her at AL's apt. she would have continued to hide out. She isn't subconsciously leaving clues around for people to find. KC is about self preservation and self aggrandizement, she sure as hell isn't about being caught and relieved of a burden.

5. LP is looking for large chunks of time with no cell phone usage.
a. this cell phone pinging is way overrated as evidence. There are dead zones, missed calls, pings not picked up be exact area towers.
b. it doesn't take a large chunk of time to dispose of a body - it takes about one minute to pull the car over, walk into the tree line, dump a tiny little body in the woods, cover it with dead foliage and walk back to the car. She isn't going to do this in an area where people might recognize her or might see her - she goes to an area that is fairly deserted at a certain time that is accessable by car and can be fairly easily explainable. "I stopped by the side of the road because I thought I had a flat tire" or "I couldn't wait to pee and had to run in the tree line" - how do you explain hanging by a river bank in a public park after dark or putting up a memorial in a tree?

People who are psychotic leave the body where it can be found - that is part of the dynamic of the crime - people who don't want to be found try to hide the body where it won't be found - Scott Peterson didn't go back to the bay to "visit" with his dead wife, he went back to a place where he could observe the police looking for his dead wife so that he would have a head start on getting away. That is self preservation. Despite all the claims by the psychologists, KC isn't a "sociopath" or a "psychotic" who enjoys committing crimes, she is a typical human being who did something very bad and is now trying to escape being punished for it - it happens every day of the week, year in and year out.
 

[mammy]

Hello Monkeys, I have been reading and I just wanted to say that, I can understand Des to a degree, I realize that this board is all about having proof to whatever is being said and sometimes some of us can't show proof of what we have been told...Some of you might remember when I first came here, I told everybody that I had a friend inLE and that I was talking to him about this case and of course he couldnt tell me a lot but he would answer my questions if he thought it would not be hindering the case in anyway, and so I would post what little I was able to get out of what he said, everytime I did that I would catch he!!, from some of the Monkeys here from time to time only because I either couldnt show proof of what I was saying or they....just didnt believe or I guess it did mess with their ego's.....
   I was not posting the things that I was for anykind of self indulgence or for any reason other than my interest in this case and to help my fellow Monkeys try to find the truth in this big mess...for I still talk to my friend almost every day and will continue to do so, I just dont share as much, because I cant and wont show my proof of his existence and our friendship without causing him problems, and since I cant do this then I understand that I will always be taken by some as just being a liar or making things up........Im not saying anything bad about this forum, believe me, I understand that anybody can say anything on the enternet, and without proof how are we to know what their intentions are, I know that Klass and the rest of the Mods are doing a great job here as Klass really helped me a few times and I have great respect for her and everthing she and the other Mods have to do......
   Still I stand by everthing I was told about this case by my friend and with everyday that passes by I see things go from one extreme to the other but the things I said at the beginning have held there  ground........
       I wish for only one thing and that is for Justice for Caylee, and I am certain that is coming soon.......

HH..  BIG HUG!

Yes  and right back at you......

Well said HH!  I miss your updates!   

Awwwwww   its OK Mammy.......I'm still here and I will always answer you with anything I can to help......

Thank you.  You can email me at anytime...  Just get it from Klaas.

[Dolce]

I certainly hope EVERYBODY knows, that I care about ALL monkeys here and do NOT think anybody is better than anybody else.
I post sporadically because, I DON"T always have much more to offer than others do, so I in fact am the one who feels inferior most of the time.  EVERYBODY has different talents and are appreciated. 

For those who had a problem with what I said, you have MOST definately misunderstood what the meaning was.

FUNNY! Klaas knows I complain the most about being ignored and this once, I'm NOT, but get bashed while I am away!   

Sorry Klaas,  had to get my point out, in favor of what you said.... 

Have I mentioned recently, I can't stand Casey Anthony?   

Yes, but it never gets old!   

[Puzzler]

Dolce,the three in question are not pressing charges on Casey.Amy is not in this loop....

I got that, but I guess I still do not see it Taterkinz.  I would never put my life in the hands of another I guess...I am different than them.  Kio's statement was released though too...hers was very odd!

I agree with you Dolce..What if Casey was drugging Caylee with Zanex and putting her in the trunk to sleep while she partied?Could it be that there was a party,Casey passed out and did not wake up in time to retrieve Caylee before she suffocated in the trunk?It's terribly hot by 9am down there and the car would be so much hotter.There may be two or three that know exactly what happened if it went down like this considering Casey had just spent the night there..You or I would do no such thing but then again,we have nothing to hide.I feel sure Casey and the majority of her friends had lot's to hide and most of the time....

C'mere Dolce...

Wow, interesting insight!  I say we experiment with Casey and see how long one can last in the trunk before suffocating...the test should run long though just to be absolutely sure!

Tater...interesting...
And we heard that LE has some unflattering pictures of a passed-out KC

 

[Dolce]

  Yep-a Puzzler!  I don't ever recall seeing a slab in a picture either.  There was a mention of a new section poured as you step out of the house (maybe it's left up to your definition of a slab - I think a slab a substantial area...others might thing 3 feet x 3 feet).  But...I don't recall a picture of a new slab...could something have been poured AFTER the police searched the back yard?  A small area could have been poured by mixing up concrete in a bucket or wheelbarrow...don't always need a concrete truck to visit the house.
Just throwing it out there...

Now, I know that they found fresh poured slabs in the woods...could that be what they are talking about?

[mammy]

Dolce,  The only cement slab that I noticed had been replaced was on the front sidewalk.

[Tater]

Maybe Caylee fell asleep in the back seat of the car with help of drugging.Casey went on to her party and left her sleeping all warm and comfy parking her car away from anyone that could see in.She locked all the doors thinking Caylee would be safe.She got too drunk,passed out,and Caylee suffocated.Casey upon awakening,freaks,runs out and discovers her dead and it was then she transfers her to the trunk.I would think if she loved Caylee at all,upon awakening she would have been in a state of panic for whomever was there to see thereby drawing attention to herself...? Maybe the three,knew Caylee was asleep in the car..

[invision]

Yes Invision- I believe Annie has alot of info, and also I remember pics somewhere of Annie's dogs. If one believes that post about cloroform and dogs, also the owner of Lake Vaj has a dog.

I always thought there was some reason Annies statement was never released.

Reading over her ex boyfriend Dante's posts again at WS, I don't know why, but there is something about him that makes me uncomfortable. He could be a great guy, I don't know, just a gut feeling.

Funny you should say that he makes you uncomfortable, because I seem to have the same aversion to him as well.

At first glance of him I got an uneasy feeling about him too.  He just does not look like the "Casey type" either. 
It was mentioned that he was lurking at LP's dives too....
Also, when him and Casey broke up he started going out with Amy??  That caused a huge fight in my Sorority one time with a sister dating an ex of another sister, nightmare for all of us that were there. That was always a rule of thumb as far as I knew it never to date a best friends ex.

IIRC that was Ricardo Morales that broke up w/Casey and started dating Amy ...

Did he make her an offer she could not refuse?   That would be even more fuel to the fire for Casey then....

Please help me understand your question ... I don't know who you are refering to and what offer "they" might have made ...

I was simply stating that I believe it was RM that Casey broke up w/and he dated Amy and Not Dante as we were refering to in the above posts ...

[Dolce]

This was posted at Websleuths.  I think it brings up some excellent points so I brought it here:

11-16-2008, 01:55 PM 
Bev 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 377 
 
LP thinks that because he doesn't know what he's talking about. If she had "ripped the bag open" when she removed it from the trunk then it would have indicated 11 days of decomp, not two.

You know, JaJo, the guy isn't even theorizing - he's throwing out various scenarios which does not fit the evidence and hoping something sticks. He's not thinking like KC, he's thinking like a made for tv movie.

 

She nailed that one right!  I think he has good intentions, just has gone about it the wrong way.

[Walter819]

That post was great Klaasend!! Thats the kind of stuff I like reading on this board !!!!

[invision]

  Yep-a Puzzler!  I don't ever recall seeing a slab in a picture either.  There was a mention of a new section poured as you step out of the house (maybe it's left up to your definition of a slab - I think a slab a substantial area...others might thing 3 feet x 3 feet).  But...I don't recall a picture of a new slab...could something have been poured AFTER the police searched the back yard?  A small area could have been poured by mixing up concrete in a bucket or wheelbarrow...don't always need a concrete truck to visit the house.
Just throwing it out there...

Now, I know that they found fresh poured slabs in the woods...could that be what they are talking about?

   Where?  What woods? When? Who found it? .... YIKES!  I missed that ...

[burkieandemme]

This was posted at Websleuths.  I think it brings up some excellent points so I brought it here:

11-16-2008, 01:55 PM 
Bev 
Registered User   Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 377 
 
LP thinks that because he doesn't know what he's talking about. If she had "ripped the bag open" when she removed it from the trunk then it would have indicated 11 days of decomp, not two.

You know, JaJo, the guy isn't even theorizing - he's throwing out various scenarios which does not fit the evidence and hoping something sticks. He's not thinking like KC, he's thinking like a made for tv movie.

1. There is no evidence that KC and her mother had a fight on the 15th and she left the house that evening - in fact the evidence points to her being in the house until approx. 12:50 pm and then back at the house at approx. 1:30. She then left again between 4 and 5 pm.

2. There is no evidence that she put the child in the pool on the 18th. If she had put the child in the pool on the 18th, then the body would not have immediately sank because it would have been so full of methane gas it would have floated on the surface, not sunk to the bottom. One look at that body on the 18th would have convinced anyone even someone as desperate as KC that the body had been dead for some time.

3. We're not looking at a complicated, devious murder plot with a method of body disposal planned out ahead of time - the fact that it was in the car for 2.6 days would indicate that this was not planned out. No one would want to ride around in a car with a dead body in the trunk. What if she had been stopped by a cop, or someone had rear ended the car at a light? It wouldn't make sense for someone to do that and no matter how bizarre the crime, the events around it have to make sense.

4. She didn't leave "clues" around for people to find that little girl. She didn't want to be caught. She hid out from her parents for 31 days and if her mother hadn't surprised her at AL's apt. she would have continued to hide out. She isn't subconsciously leaving clues around for people to find. KC is about self preservation and self aggrandizement, she sure as hell isn't about being caught and relieved of a burden.

5. LP is looking for large chunks of time with no cell phone usage.
a. this cell phone pinging is way overrated as evidence. There are dead zones, missed calls, pings not picked up be exact area towers.
b. it doesn't take a large chunk of time to dispose of a body - it takes about one minute to pull the car over, walk into the tree line, dump a tiny little body in the woods, cover it with dead foliage and walk back to the car. She isn't going to do this in an area where people might recognize her or might see her - she goes to an area that is fairly deserted at a certain time that is accessable by car and can be fairly easily explainable. "I stopped by the side of the road because I thought I had a flat tire" or "I couldn't wait to pee and had to run in the tree line" - how do you explain hanging by a river bank in a public park after dark or putting up a memorial in a tree?

People who are psychotic leave the body where it can be found - that is part of the dynamic of the crime - people who don't want to be found try to hide the body where it won't be found - Scott Peterson didn't go back to the bay to "visit" with his dead wife, he went back to a place where he could observe the police looking for his dead wife so that he would have a head start on getting away. That is self preservation. Despite all the claims by the psychologists, KC isn't a "sociopath" or a "psychotic" who enjoys committing crimes, she is a typical human being who did something very bad and is now trying to escape being punished for it - it happens every day of the week, year in and year out.
 

Thank you for bring this quote over. 
Klass- BIG HUGS to you also!!