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Topic: Madeleine McCann Missing-Praia Da Luz, Portugal 3/05/07 #1 (Read 918029 times)
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Kermit
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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Reply #1420 on:
September 22, 2007, 03:36:23 PM »
Mister Robots
I disagree and this is why. I think your position comes from the mind-set of who you are as a father and you seem to me to be a very responsible father. I think you would not be a parent who would leave your child unattended, nor would you not know where your child is at all times.
However,
I believe these people, The McCann's, and their friends/associates, were of the mind-set that they were in a safe environment (much akin to Natalee Holloway and her friends) and they were close by and all of them checking in on the children making it okay in
their way of thinking.
My thinking is: Spending time on blaming the parents & their friends for what is perceived as wrong, is not going to find this child. We need to collectively think who, what, where, and perhaps why. Look for patterns. WHO KNEW THIS CHILD? Perhaps a babysitter, friends, neighbors and not just look at the area they were at, but into the past of this families life. THINK in terms of criminal patterns of thinking and not our own. That is what will find this child I think.
This case along with Natalee's case and some other cases really demonstrates the
lack of a world-wide set of standards that needs to be addressed as we are globally connected now.
It no longer should be tolerated for polis forces to not have the same standards no matter what the crime in any country.
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September 22, 2007, 03:40:54 PM »
just to add to my thoughts above:
The Donna Jou case is another example where a young lady goes off with someone she met on the internet and thinking she would go to the party and come home that night. She lies to her mother. This tells us that the parent would have disapproved and most likely not allowed her daughter to go off with the internet (pedophile).
Those are moi's thoughts Mister Robots. I'd pass the plate of flies to ya, but I think you'd rather have some oil.
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September 22, 2007, 03:50:12 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on September 22, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
Mister Robots
I disagree and this is why. I think your position comes from the mind-set of who you are as a father and you seem to me to be a very responsible father. I think you would not be a parent who would leave your child unattended, nor would you not know where your child is at all times.
However,
I believe these people, The McCann's, and their friends/associates, were of the mind-set that they were in a safe environment (much akin to Natalee Holloway and her friends) and they were close by and all of them checking in on the children making it okay in
their way of thinking.
My thinking is: Spending time on blaming the parents & their friends for what is perceived as wrong, is not going to find this child. We need to collectively think who, what, where, and perhaps why. Look for patterns. WHO KNEW THIS CHILD? Perhaps a babysitter, friends, neighbors and not just look at the area they were at, but into the past of this families life. THINK in terms of criminal patterns of thinking and not our own. That is what will find this child I think.
This case along with Natalee's case and some other cases really demonstrates the
lack of a world-wide set of standards that needs to be addressed as we are globally connected now.
It no longer should be tolerated for polis forces to not have the same standards no matter what the crime in any country.
disagreement is ok with me. it will only get the brains working better.
we dont know who was actually checking on whom
if they were really even checking
like i said, the "checking, but not really checking" makes NO sense to me, other than it makes the parents Look better to the public.
if you dont actually check on them and see them, are you really checking on them ?
know what i mean ?
these tapas 9, depending on which one of them, WERE the last known people to see the kids
as in the Natalee case, the last person to see them MUST be looked at carefully
very carefully
someone PLEASE, show me the EVIDENCE of an intruder ???
where is it??
or an ABDUCTOR ?
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robots
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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September 22, 2007, 03:52:30 PM »
Quote from: SteveDinMD on September 22, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: robots on September 22, 2007, 02:58:49 PM
1. lets leave the babies alone
2. lets leave the door unlocked
3. lets go check on the kids, by standing outside the door and listening to them... AND BY THE WAY, what the hell does that accomplish, honestly
if you stand outside of the door and dont hear anything, what does that tell you ?
are they sleeping
are they hurt and knocked out from falling
are they dead
are they even in there
its a LOAD of BULL CRAP
oh and then to top it off, lets go drink 58 bottles of wine
ok, im exagerating on the 58 bottles but the point is made
what exactly is THE CULTURAL DIFFERENCE?
1. is it to leave them unattended
or is it to
2. go get smashed but be nearby
or is it
3. all of the above
OR is it something difference
WARNING..they should not sell it, cause i aint buying it
First, who says the door was unlocked? I doubt it. I can't even remember being in a hotel anywhere on earth where I could leave my room with the door unlocked -- even if I wanted to. The doors to my many, many hotel rooms over the years all locked automatically. That Mark Warner resort seems modern and upscale, so why should it be any different?
Second, there is no credible evidence to suggest that the McCanns and/or their companions were seriously intoxicated. Remember; this was a story leaked to the press by the (corrupt) Portugese police, who also leaked reports that the McCanns and their friends were all sexual swingers. These were but transparent attempts on the part of the authorities to discredit the McCanns and thereby make the possiblity that they harmed their own child more credible to the public.
Third, I too find the listening at the door story peculiar, and is the one thing I see that directs even the slightest suspicion on members of the group.
Last, why would the McCanns leave their children in the room? Here's a list of possible reasons (not that I necessarily agree with them):
1) The children were already asleep, so the McCanns were reluctant to wake them.
2) It was already the children's bedtime, so taking them to child care would upset their sleeping patterns.
3) Leaving them alseep in their hotel room to have dinner was not so different than leaving them alseep in their rooms back home while having a beer with the neighbors on the patio.
4) They wouldn't be left unattended for so long that they could get themselves into trouble. Besides, they'd be asleep, which is when they're least at risk.
5) Random violence against children was so rare in the McCanns' and their friends' experience, that the possiblity might not even have crossed their minds.
The McCanns were, of course, wrong in their analysis, but perhaps not so egregiously so given their socio-cultural context.
i suspect it was unlocked,
otherwise, the people that were SUPPOSEDLY checking on them, what were they to do if there was a problem, SMASH the door down.... Oh....thats right the parents loaned them the keys to each one of them as they took turns checking on them......LOL
nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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Reply #1424 on:
September 22, 2007, 03:54:24 PM »
Quote from: Kermit on September 22, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
Mister Robots
I disagree and this is why. I think your position comes from the mind-set of who you are as a father and you seem to me to be a very responsible father. I think you would not be a parent who would leave your child unattended, nor would you not know where your child is at all times.
However,
I believe these people, The McCann's, and their friends/associates, were of the mind-set that they were in a safe environment (much akin to Natalee Holloway and her friends) and they were close by and all of them checking in on the children making it okay in
their way of thinking.
My thinking is: Spending time on blaming the parents & their friends for what is perceived as wrong, is not going to find this child. We need to collectively think who, what, where, and perhaps why. Look for patterns. WHO KNEW THIS CHILD? Perhaps a babysitter, friends, neighbors and not just look at the area they were at, but into the past of this families life. THINK in terms of criminal patterns of thinking and not our own. That is what will find this child I think.
This case along with Natalee's case and some other cases really demonstrates the
lack of a world-wide set of standards that needs to be addressed as we are globally connected now.
It no longer should be tolerated for polis forces to not have the same standards no matter what the crime in any country.
they were 2 and 3 years old
maybe you change your mind when it is revealed the door was unlocked and the parents
were not checking on them as vigorously as we have been told
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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September 22, 2007, 04:09:09 PM »
Steve for the record I agree with everything you are saying and so far I haven't seen anything but theory and conjecture against the McCanns.
No evidence yet that anyone in the Tapas 9 or the McCanns have done anything to Madeleine. They have opportunity, but I don't see motive yet.
I don't think anyone has anything more than suspicion - possibly based on phone taps of conversations that the Portuguese police find incriminating.
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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Reply #1426 on:
September 22, 2007, 04:21:53 PM »
Quote from: robots on September 22, 2007, 03:52:30 PM
Quote from: SteveDinMD on September 22, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
Quote from: robots on September 22, 2007, 02:58:49 PM
1. lets leave the babies alone
2. lets leave the door unlocked
3. lets go check on the kids, by standing outside the door and listening to them... AND BY THE WAY, what the hell does that accomplish, honestly
if you stand outside of the door and dont hear anything, what does that tell you ?
are they sleeping
are they hurt and knocked out from falling
are they dead
are they even in there
its a LOAD of BULL CRAP
oh and then to top it off, lets go drink 58 bottles of wine
ok, im exagerating on the 58 bottles but the point is made
what exactly is THE CULTURAL DIFFERENCE?
1. is it to leave them unattended
or is it to
2. go get smashed but be nearby
or is it
3. all of the above
OR is it something difference
WARNING..they should not sell it, cause i aint buying it
First, who says the door was unlocked? I doubt it. I can't even remember being in a hotel anywhere on earth where I could leave my room with the door unlocked -- even if I wanted to. The doors to my many, many hotel rooms over the years all locked automatically. That Mark Warner resort seems modern and upscale, so why should it be any different?
Second, there is no credible evidence to suggest that the McCanns and/or their companions were seriously intoxicated. Remember; this was a story leaked to the press by the (corrupt) Portugese police, who also leaked reports that the McCanns and their friends were all sexual swingers. These were but transparent attempts on the part of the authorities to discredit the McCanns and thereby make the possiblity that they harmed their own child more credible to the public.
Third, I too find the listening at the door story peculiar, and is the one thing I see that directs even the slightest suspicion on members of the group.
Last, why would the McCanns leave their children in the room? Here's a list of possible reasons (not that I necessarily agree with them):
1) The children were already asleep, so the McCanns were reluctant to wake them.
2) It was already the children's bedtime, so taking them to child care would upset their sleeping patterns.
3) Leaving them alseep in their hotel room to have dinner was not so different than leaving them alseep in their rooms back home while having a beer with the neighbors on the patio.
4) They wouldn't be left unattended for so long that they could get themselves into trouble. Besides, they'd be asleep, which is when they're least at risk.
5) Random violence against children was so rare in the McCanns' and their friends' experience, that the possiblity might not even have crossed their minds.
The McCanns were, of course, wrong in their analysis, but perhaps not so egregiously so given their socio-cultural context.
i suspect it was unlocked,
otherwise, the people that were SUPPOSEDLY checking on them, what were they to do if there was a problem, SMASH the door down.... Oh....thats right the parents loaned them the keys to each one of them as they took turns checking on them......LOL
nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Remember; every single hotel room I can remember having been in -- and there have been many over the years -- had an auto-locking door. Therefore, if I were to have a friend check on something for me in any of those rooms, I'd have to give him a key. This would be no big deal since hotel room keys for years have been in the form of key cards, either plastic or thin disposable cardboard, created on-demand by the desk staff.
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September 22, 2007, 04:29:01 PM »
the way i understand it...these were not like a typical HOTEL ROOM
A Mark Warner spokesman said counsellors are being flown out to the resort, which the firm has run for two years, to support the McCanns.
He said the apartment the family were staying in was surrounded by other apartments, all of which have “quite sophisticated” locks on the doors.
hmmmmmm..quite sophisticated
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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Reply #1428 on:
September 22, 2007, 04:30:03 PM »
Quote from: Rob on September 22, 2007, 04:09:09 PM
Steve for the record I agree with everything you are saying and so far I haven't seen anything but theory and conjecture against the McCanns.
No evidence yet that anyone in the Tapas 9 or the McCanns have done anything to Madeleine. They have opportunity, but I don't see motive yet.
I don't think anyone has anything more than suspicion - possibly based on phone taps of conversations that the Portuguese police find incriminating.
where is the evidence of an abduction by a stranger ??
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September 22, 2007, 04:57:46 PM »
Quote from: robots on September 22, 2007, 04:30:03 PM
Quote from: Rob on September 22, 2007, 04:09:09 PM
Steve for the record I agree with everything you are saying and so far I haven't seen anything but theory and conjecture against the McCanns.
No evidence yet that anyone in the Tapas 9 or the McCanns have done anything to Madeleine. They have opportunity, but I don't see motive yet.
I don't think anyone has anything more than suspicion - possibly based on phone taps of conversations that the Portuguese police find incriminating.
where is the evidence of an abduction by a stranger ??
The fact that Cuddle Cat was left behind is an indication that the person does not care about Madeleine or her well being let alone her happiness and the fact that she finds comfort in that small toy.
looks like an abduction to me... maybe I am wrong.
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Re: British girl, Madeleine McCann, 4 in Portugal
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September 22, 2007, 04:59:58 PM »
FWIW:
MADELINE: HUNT LATEST
THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE: DAY 11
By Simon Wright 13/05/2007
<snipped>
MADELEINE'S abductor got into the family's holiday flat through patio doors which had been left unlocked, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.
It was originally thought metal shutters at the front of the villa had been broken and jammed open.
But Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa has confided to former British chief inspector Albert Kirby that neither the windows nor the shutters had been tampered with.
Mr Kirby, who led the Jamie Bulger inquiry in Liverpool and is now in Portugal, revealed it was the sliding patio doors of the ground floor apartment that allowed Madeleine to be quietly and quickly kidnapped.
The McCanns would have used the doors as they checked on their children during their meal. They had a line of sight to the apartment from the restaurant table, but a hedge obscured their view of the doors.
Mr Kirby said: "The window shutters are not involved. The door was left unlocked. The shutters are almost impossible to open from the outside."
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September 22, 2007, 05:03:51 PM »
Quote from: Rob on September 22, 2007, 04:57:46 PM
Quote from: robots on September 22, 2007, 04:30:03 PM
Quote from: Rob on September 22, 2007, 04:09:09 PM
Steve for the record I agree with everything you are saying and so far I haven't seen anything but theory and conjecture against the McCanns.
No evidence yet that anyone in the Tapas 9 or the McCanns have done anything to Madeleine. They have opportunity, but I don't see motive yet.
I don't think anyone has anything more than suspicion - possibly based on phone taps of conversations that the Portuguese police find incriminating.
where is the evidence of an abduction by a stranger ??
The fact that Cuddle Cat was left behind is an indication that the person does not care about Madeleine or her well being let alone her happiness and the fact that she finds comfort in that small toy.
looks like an abduction to me... maybe I am wrong.
sounds like you are referring to her parents... they didnt care if she fell down and knocked herself out.... when hitting the floor
cause, with their crazy logic, if no noise was heard from the apt.. all was ok inside
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off topic. maybe im just in a cranky mood but this new site set up
i find terrible slow to load
im on cable and all other sites load fast, except this one
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News reports I've read say front door was locked but that the patio door was unlocked.
"If" and intruder entered the room and took Madeleine, why not go out one of the doors (and not a window)?
Why didn't the twins wake up when a multitude of people and police were in the apartment looking for Madeleine?
Just imagine the noise and confusion going on....why did neither twin wake up?
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September 22, 2007, 05:06:25 PM »
Quote from: vms on September 22, 2007, 04:59:58 PM
FWIW:
MADELINE: HUNT LATEST
THE SEARCH FOR MADELEINE: DAY 11
By Simon Wright 13/05/2007
<snipped>
MADELEINE'S abductor got into the family's holiday flat through patio doors which had been left unlocked, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.
It was originally thought metal shutters at the front of the villa had been broken and jammed open.
But Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa has confided to former British chief inspector Albert Kirby that neither the windows nor the shutters had been tampered with.
Mr Kirby, who led the Jamie Bulger inquiry in Liverpool and is now in Portugal, revealed it was the sliding patio doors of the ground floor apartment that allowed Madeleine to be quietly and quickly kidnapped.
The McCanns would have used the doors as they checked on their children during their meal. They had a line of sight to the apartment from the restaurant table, but a hedge obscured their view of the doors.
Mr Kirby said: "The window shutters are not involved. The door was left unlocked. The shutters are almost impossible to open from the outside."
Link
so, DOORS were UNLOCKED
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Quote from: Puzzler on September 22, 2007, 05:06:08 PM
News reports I've read say front door was locked but that the patio door was unlocked.
"If" and intruder entered the room and took Madeleine, why not go out one of the doors (and not a window)?
Why didn't the twins wake up when a multitude of people and police were in the apartment looking for Madeleine?
Just imagine the noise and confusion going on....why did neither twin wake up?
sedated with something like a cold medicine...perhaps
puts MOST kids to sleep whey have the sniffles
and even when they DONT have the sniffles
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September 22, 2007, 05:13:28 PM »
When Kate checked on the children and found Madeleine missing, why did she run all the way back to the dinner table where her friends were, which was quite a distance away from the apartment, and leave the twins alone in the apartment?
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Quote from: Puzzler on September 22, 2007, 05:13:28 PM
When Kate checked on the children and found Madeleine missing, why did she run all the way back to the dinner table where her friends were, which was quite a distance away from the apartment, and leave the twins alone in the apartment?
yea, and leave the other 2 alone in the apt....
i give her some slack due to panic and i give her some slack because of fright and i give her NO slack cause it was so stupid, therefore i am left with stupidity and she was really not skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered of a REAL INTRUDER
there was NO INTRUDER
hiding from the rocks about to be thrown my way
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AND....why NOT answer all the Portuguese police questions? Even if the question was "did you accidentlally kill your daughter"? No seems an easy enough word to say. Even if asked 40 questions...maybe one or two you might not want to answer....but not answer 22 questions? Wow! Or even beyond Wow!
Per the newspapers, as of yesterday, the McCann's group of high-end attorneys had grown to four (4) !!! Why?
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=====> Caylee Marie Anthony Murder Trial Archives
===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
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=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
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